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Shishya · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: Welcome Swami Omananda Sarasvati!

Swami Omananda Sarasvati,

Namaste and Welcome to the Arya Samaj Forum! Very Happy

Let me say you are the very first Swami to join our humble forum. I hope you decide to become a regular member here, as we would very much like to profit from the wisdom of the more learned scholars in the Arya Samaj Community.

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Make yourself at home and feel free to post in any of the open discussions. We look forward to hearing from you.

namaste

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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Sunita · Arya Ladies Forum Moderator Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 558

It sure is good to see a swamiji on our forum. Swaagatam!

Shishya · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:34 am Post subject:

Namaste Swami Omananda Ji,

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namaste

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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Swami Omananda Sarasvati · Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: Supreme Reality

At four years of age I drowned in the ocean. As I was going down for the third time, loaded with salt water, I saw my short life flash before me and cried out to God to save me.(He did!) I did not have the power to save my own life, therefore my life was no longer my own.
I promised God that if He saved my life I would work for Him and carry every order He gave me. I kept that promise and still do. Essentially, that is when I took Sanyas.
For thirty years I did Sadhana in the Outback deserts of Australia, I shore sheep during the day to feed myself and keep a roof over my head. In the evening I sat in meditation for 3 hours. I rested for 5 hours, then got up and meditated for another 3 hours and went off to shear sheep again, day after day, year after year. During that time I attained Jivan Mukti.
In 1990, I was given the order to take formal Sanyas at Arya Samaj.(They videotaped the ceremony knowing that people would be interested in seeing it.) My Sadhana is now complete. I am in the state that is known as Nirvakalpa Samadhi (the thought-free state), a 'dead man walking'.
In 1991, while sitting in the silence, I was given an order, from the same voice I know so well, to tattoo the essence of the Veda on my head and forehead. I followed that order to the letter! When you look in my face you will see the Universe, the Sun, Moon and Pole Star. When you look at the lotus petals on either side of my Ajana Chakra you will see the Supreme Truth, in Sanskrit. It reads, 'I AM THAT - THAT AM I'. You will also see the three lines symbolizing Creation, Sustenance and Destruction. (I am the Destroyer of Ignorance.) When you look in my eyes you will see your own glorious Self. On the back of my head you will see the Kundalini Naga surrounded by fire, breathing flames. Written in Sanskrit around her head and body is the Truth....'The Guru is the Grace bestowing Power of God! 'I am the only Being living on this planet who carries these marks. (You can't miss me!) I am a walking COMMITMENT.
What I have done in my life you do not have to do. I have done it for you. All you need to do is understand.
The Sadhu declares war in the Holy City of his body, which as you know is consciousness. I destroy ignorance wherever I find it. I cannot be killed as I am already (legally) dead.
I only respond to love. That is all I know. My life has been a life of service. I am here to serve you all.
My heart is my Ashram. I do not collect disciples. I do not ask for what I do not need, therefore, my basic requirements are always met.
Suffer little children to come unto me for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
I consider all children on this Planet as my own and I do not approve of what is happening in the world today! When the Guru gets angry everyone is in trouble.
When mankind is in need I manifest Myself.
(In the Yorkshire society that I grew up in there is a saying, 'If you want the job done right - do it yourself!')
I consider Rishi Dayananda one of the rare, Supreme Beings to bless this planet with his lotus feet. He gifted the greatest sacrifice to mankind - His life!
At my Sanyas ceremony, one of the speakers, who is a professor of Sanskrit at Delhi University said, "Swamiji, I feel we are creating a gift for God, and you Swamiji are that gift!" God was so pleased with Arya Samaj that He sent me back.
Therefore, I belong to you all.
I thank you for welcoming me to your noble world.
Respectfully,
Guru Om (Swami Omananda Sarasvati)
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Shishya · Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject:

Namaste Swami Omananda Ji,

That is quite an impressive story. Thank you for sharing it with us. I think we all would be interested in seeing the video you referred to. Is there a way you could perhaps send me a copy of or link to it? Bhai Devo is pretty good at getting this kind of thing put together, so I will be sure to ask him for assistance in presenting it here at the forum.

Please do put a picture of yourself in your profile. After reading that description, I simply have to see you for myself! Very Happy

Also, I see that you are currently located in Los Angeles, California. Are you in touch with the Arya Samaj of Southern California?

namaste

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Namaste,

Shishya
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Swami Omananda Sarasvati · Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:18 am Post subject: sanyas video

Dear Shishya,
Thank you so much for your response. I have a copy of the ceremony on dvd. How to download it? I could send it in the post if you send an address or I can have someone try to do it. I would so much like to share it. When you see it, there is a point when the head is being shaved...you will notice that everything stops. That is the point where the old Being exits and the new Being enters. Also, notice what goes into the fire and what comes out? Swami Vidyanand, my Disksha Guru, said he saw the Deity of the fire enter me.
Blessings from Guru Om.
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Devo · Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:58 am Post subject:

Namaste Swami Omananda Saraswati Ji,

I too, join w/ Bhai Shishya and Bahin Sunita in welcoming you to the Aryan Forum. We are glad to have you as part of our online family. Also, we look forward to your future contributions.

With regards to the Video:

If you're able to save the DVD clip(s) on your computer, you can use the following to upload it online:

- Video Egg

- Photo Bucket

If you have any additional question(s), please feel free to ask.

Varun25 · Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:44 am Post subject:

Namaste Swami Omananda Ji

Welcome to the forum.

Thanks for sharing your story with us. Can't wait to see your video!!

- Varun
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Prabhat · Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:24 am Post subject:

Namaste, SWAMI OMANANDA SARASVATI.

first welcome to the forum.

did you really shave your hair to tattoo all the things you said in your repley.
and who's voice whas it that you hear, that told you to do so.
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Swami Omananda Sarasvati · Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: to Prabhat

Namaste
Dear Prabhat,
My hair was cut and my head was shaved at my Sanyas ceremony 16 years ago. I have kept it that way ever since. A sanyasi does not need hair as he is not looking for anything in the material world. The voice that told me to tattoo the mantras on my head & forehead is the same voice I have listened to my whole life. You can call it the voice of the inner Guru. It isn't that the Inner Guru lives within me and not you. The inner Guru/the inner Self lives within everyone equally. One has to have a very quiet mind to hear that voice. It is also known as the voice of Silence. Here is an example for you: When you ask me a question and just before you get the answer I turn the radio on really loud, then how will you hear the answer? A loud radio is like the undisciplined mind. It is all the time ranting and raving about something or other. You are not your mind, therefore, you have the ability to take a step backward and listen to it,as the WITNESS. Sometimes when the mind is causing problems or creating dramas, try that. Just watch it,dispassionately, and it will become very self-conscious, slow down and become quiet. Nothing in the inner and outer worlds can be achieved unless one has a quiet mind. A quiet, disciplined mind is a happy mind! Focus the mind on the Ultimate, which is Supreme Reality and once it has had that transcendental experience it will eventually always revert back to silence. My mind is always silent, unless I need it. The mind is the servant of the heart. Sit it on its' seat and don't allow it to move. Just contemplating these words will activate that process. From the standpoint of reality, there is no such thing as 'your mind' or 'my mind'. There is consciousness. Claiming the mind as 'mine' is like a horse wearing blinkers. A small, petty, weak mind can do very little. The habit of the mind is to create, sustain and destroy. It creates a thought, plays with it, then destroys it. When the mind is not disciplined this process continues all of ones' life, creating nothing but drama, grief and suffering. A silent mind is the key to finding God or Guru within yourself. God dwells within you as you. I am because God is and God is because I am.
Thank you for your question. You are the third man in 16 years to ask me a question. Ask me a correct question and you will automatically receive a correct answer,likewise, with an incorrect question. Make sure when you ask me a question it means something to you.
Blessings
Guru Om (Swami Omananda Sarasvati)
PS: The answers come from the Chidakash.
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Prabhat · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:21 am Post subject:

Namaste Swami,

but did you really tattoo the matras on your head, what i mean is with inkt and needle.

but is it not that we are not allowed to hurt our flesh(body)

Prabhat.
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Swami Omananda Sarasvati · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:29 am Post subject: to Prabhat

Namaste Prabhat,
In India, the Temple is seen as the House of God, therefore, they decorate it with mantras and symbols. It is your cultural way of expressing your love and creativity and offering it to God. The physical body, which is a manifestation of the five senses, is also a Temple of God, as God dwells within it.
When God leaves the physical body it is known as a corpse. It is burnt or buried as soon as possible. No one is interested in it anymore. If the physical body did not have genitals no one would ever be interested in it!
Your world is a world of illusions, fantasies and dreams. My world is the world of reality. It is empty yet full of myself. In my world there is not hot, nor cold, no right no wrong, no young nor old, no good no bad. It is full of pure, undiluted, unconditioned love. I
respond to the situations in life. I am not programmed, as you are. I have no likes or dislikes, wants or desires. Those things left me years ago. In the 1960s', I used to sit in full-lotus for hours on end imagining I was a yogi and I would attain jivan mukti by doing such things. When I got rid of everything that was not necessary, I found what I'd never lost, what had always been there. My state cost me my life.
The mantras that are tattooed on the body are there for you, my dear Prabhat. I was not born, I cannot die, I never get hungry and I do not need anything. I can enter and leave any body at will. I am not a prisoner of the body. I live at the center of the human heart.
Even sex is violence to the body. How many people, do you think, are going to give that up?
Everyone has to act according to their consciousness. Do not forget ,Man is not the performer of actions. Were I to ask you,'are you breathing?', your answer would obviously be 'yes!'. My next question to you is, 'Good, then stop for half an hour.' If you cannot stop breathing then I say you not breathing. Find out what is breathing all the bodies and you will take one step towards me. In turn, I will reciprocate.
I am That I am.
Blessings
Guru Om
PS: Bodies are born and bodies die. Worlds appear and disappear, yet, I remain the same.Where is the body in deep sleep?Wherever I look I see God.It's all a matter of Subodha (Right Understanding)
Love to you all and may you see God in each other at all times!
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Arya Putra · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject:

Dear Omananda,

In my humble estimation, you are far too assuming and pretentious to effectively convey the knowledge that you possess. Hence, it is unlikely that you will bring about positive transformation of consciousness in those with whom you come in contact.

There is much wisdom in what you have spoken, but there are also many flaws (not only in its presentation, but in its substance too). I am saying what I am saying not to hurt you, but simply because I am bound by my nature as an Arya to speak the truth and reject falsehood.

So long as the false hood of ego remains covering our intelligence we cannot reach the highest pinnacle of Consciousness, which you have surely not reached, and nor have I. It would be far better if you spoke to us as a normal human being, the same way Maharishi Dayananda did, and the same way all the true Saints and Sages from the beginning of time have expressed themselves.

Omanandaji, you are an embodied soul (Jivatman) just like all the rest of us. Like all the rest of us, you still have a lot of homework to do. This is evidenced by your immature belief that tattooing something on your head (or anywhere else) will somehow be a benefit to others. That is nothing but nonsense.

I perceive from your writings that you have certainly had a number of deep spiritual experiences which have left an indelible mark on your psyche. No doubt you have also done deep introspection into your own being and the nature of Reality and Unreality. However, it is necessary to continue to do the inner inspection in order to detect the presence of ego in the mind, and when it is detected one can remove it. Otherwise, that subtle (or not so subtle) ego will distort our perception, regardless of our spiritual experience or knowledge.

This is why a True Guru is so necessary. Without a Sadguru, one is left to be one's own guru, and that makes for a very sad guru indeed. This is why the Arya Samaj followers elect to keep Maharishi Dayananda as their guru (meaning, of course, that they look to his teachings and example as their guide).

I humbly suggest that you stop referring to your self as Guru Om because you are only making a fool of yourself by doing so. Again, I repeat, I do not want to hurt your feelings, but your Atman is far, far more important to me than any false feelings. Perhaps I should not be so straightforward, but sometimes it is better to cut to the chase and stop beating around the bush.

You say you lived the Australian bush for 30 years and that during that time you attained Liberation. Omanandaji, the only way anyone will ever attain Liberation is to beat their own ego into such a finely ground dust that it can be blown away with just one breath. To reach that state, we will have to become humbler than blade of grass and as simple (unassuming) as a little child.

You are a beautiful soul, a child of God, a messenger of Peace. As I said, much of what you have written is right on the mark, but unfortunately your own marks are obscuring the full lustre (complete understanding) of what you say.

Keep Shining!

OM

Arya Putra

Prabhat · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: to Prabhat

Swami Omananda Sarasvati · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: reply to Arya Putra

The eye sees not by itself but by reflection alone!
I am the mirror.
I am, therefore you are. Do not include me in your ignorance.
Guru Om 1008
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Arya Putra · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: reply to Arya Putra

Swami Omananda Sarasvati · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:16 am Post subject: reply to Prabhat

Namaste Prabhatji,
Bodies are born and bodies die. You are not the body, never have been and never will be.
A man once asked me, 'Where did I park?' I told him, 'you didn't. I take it you mean where did you park your car'? It all depends on what you identify with!
Go back to your first memory, then take one more step....Find out where the Source of the language comes from, that you are using. In deep sleep there is no such thing as 'the world'. Where is Prabhat in deep sleep? In order to know that you've been in deep sleep, there has to be a witness.
Just as you are not your car, you are not the body. Find out what wasn't born and cannot die and you will understand my words. Identify with THAT!
I did not claim to be human or a better person than you or anyone else. The 'person' you believe yourself to be is your own 'personal' affair. It is of your own making. I simply said, 'I am the Guru', or if you prefer, I am That.
Read the quotes in the 'shout' column by Swami Omananda Sarasvati. It says 'God exists in feelings.'
Do not fret yourself about 'my feelings' you cannot hurt them. To hurt my 'feelings' you will have to go deep. I do not have anything to protect. I do not take my identity from them.
You say, in your response, 'this is the cold, hard world'...that is the world of your own creation. Your mind creates it, maintains it and then destroys it.
My direct experience is that people hurt their own feelings by what they tell themselves. If you talk yourself into something then surely to get free of it, you must talk yourself out of it.
My madness will cure your madness.
Guru Om 1008
PS: 'Ego' simply means 'wrong identification.
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Arya Putra · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:14 am Post subject:

Omanandaji, you have expressed some basic (fundamental) wisdom and sound advice in this latest post in your reply to Prabhat. It reveals the depth of your insight and experience, however, your pretentiousness still prevails. It would seem that you yourself suffer from a mistaken identity of which you are in denial of. Perhaps you are just playing this role play as a medium of expression. For the time being, I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

Arya Putra

Mitra · Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject:

Namaste Guru Om Ji / Swami Omananda Sarasvati Ji,

Swami Omananda Sarasvati · Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:02 am Post subject: Response to Mitra from Guru Om

Namaste Mitraji,
In answer to your question:
Death of ignorance is the birth of enlightenment. Whatever is born does not want to die. To experience the greater, one has to let go of the lesser. Birth of the mother is death of the single girl. (potentially, the mother already exists in the child.) Transmutation means one cannot go back to what they used to be. (As in the butterfly and the chrysalis) Death of the known is the birth of the unknown.

Birth of the in breath is death of the out breath. Between the in breath and the out breath there is space, otherwise the body would explode/implode. Sacrifice the in and out breath to the space between. Listen to the sound the breath makes. It comes in with the sound HAM and merges in the inner heart space. It goes out with the sound SAH and merges in the outer heart space. Focus on either one of those spaces. In the beginning there appears to be two spaces. It will not take you very long to discover that there is only one space. There can only be one. Once the breath balances itself...that is called 'equal vision'. From that point on everyone you meet will be a reflection of yourself. The breath enters and leaves the body approximately 21,600 times a day. Make an experiment...count them! See life as an experiment and that way you won't make any mistakes. The Supreme Shakti, whose nature is to create, constantly expresses Herself upward in the form of exhalation and downwards in the form of inhalation. By steadily fixing the mind on either of the two spaces between the breaths, one experiences the state of fullness...Bhairava.
By the way, no one should blindly accept what I say. Check it out for yourself. Follow the experiment, to the letter, and you will end up in the same space as I am. Throw caution to the wind and go for it. You cannot fail. Don't be deluded by
the Matrika Shakti.

As a child I was told "be a good boy and you will find God." Guru Om says, "find God and you will automatically be good."

It's all in the mind, love. Introduce the mind to the Source and it will never forget it. No matter how naughty it becomes it will always revert back to Silence, but first make sure you want a 'quiet mind.' Were there to be no disturbances in the mind, how would you know you had one? A quiet mind is all you need.

This inner Self-inquiry is the most dangerous work you will ever undertake. It will cost you whatever you imagine yourself to be. It will cost you 'your life as you know it.'

Knock and the door will be opened unto you. (Knocking is attention) There is an ocean of peace within you. If you do not feel it, then find out what is disturbing it. All one needs is interest, therefore, you are highly, highly qualified.
All that is written comes out of your question.

At the end of the day,there is only one thing worth attaining..unconditioned love!
Everyone is a manifestation of love. What makes one appear different is the conditioning.
This is my blessing to you...HAM SAH. (I am THAT, THAT am I.
Guru Om
What I am writing is not religion, although one can 'religiously' investigate it. This basic fact applies to all living beings regardless of caste and creed.
Everyone is qualified, at the same time, not all are interested.
When nature makes an exception to one of Her laws, man calls it a 'miracle'!
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Arya Putra · Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject:

For now, I will reply to Omanananda's first post. Replies to other posts shown above may follow later.

Please note that I harbor absolutely NO ill-will whatsoever against Omanandaji (or anyone). I am speaking (writing) what is in my mind, based on my life's experience and knowledge. Both my experience and knowledge will go on increasing forever; hence, what is written today may be emended or augmented tomorrow. The mind may change, but the principles of Consciousness remain the same.

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Sunita · Arya Ladies Forum Moderator Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 558

I cannot remain silent in this thead anymore. I have been really busy. I was waiting for some others to give a feedback.

Swamiji, with all due respect sir......ur sentences aren't making any sence. Behin Mitraji ask u a question and the responce was way out of proportion.

I am just a humble person that grew up in Arya Samaj home. My great grandparents were Pandits and so was my grand-father. I was lucky to have pandit training and also gurukul training camps in Guyana.SA. From what i could remember.......and what u saying is so opposit.

This is the internet. Anybody can be anybody. U still have my respect until u provide some valid information that prove who u claim to be.

Devo · Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:02 am Post subject:

Namaste,

Like Sunita, I too hesitated to respond in this thread, simply because I was no sure how to go about dissecting Swami Omananda's messages.

With all due respect, Swami Omananda's posts are unclear as to what they actually mean/promote, and they're clearly contradictory to the procedures and principles as provided by Rishi Dayanand.

Arya Putra has surely put the picture into focus for us, and I am looking forward to an even more focused response from Swami Omananda.

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Arya Putra Ji,

Thank you for taking the time to give us a clear understanding of some of the key concepts to Swamiji's teachings.

Throughout the forum, there are a number of threads that are in dire need of sufficient and adequate explanations. You have shown to us that you possess an abundance of Knowledge, and wisdom. We would appreciate it very much if you could direct some of your time and knowledge towards those, as well.

Namaste,
Devo.

Arya Putra · Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject:

The following is in response to Omananada's earlier reply to Prabhat. Again, I want to reiterate that my comments are not in any manner whatsoever a personal attack on Omananda. I am replying to his posts as a medium to express the wisdom of consciousness as I understand it. By openly sharing our insights and knowledge in this forum we can come to a consensus about the nature of both truth and non-truth, the real and the unreal, the useful and useless.