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Shishya · Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject: Muslims Join Da Vinci Criticism

Muslims Join Da Vinci Criticism
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BBC

Roman Catholics in the Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) have received Muslim support in protests against the release of the movie, The Da Vinci Code.

Film censors have cleared the movie for release in India on 19 May.

An umbrella organisation of Islamic clerics in Mumbai have labelled the film as "blasphemous" because it spreads "lies" about Jesus Christ.

One Roman Catholic activist has gone on what he says is a "hunger strike until death" unless the film is banned.

'Violent protests'

"The Holy Koran recognises Jesus as a prophet. What the book says is an insult to both Christians and Muslims," Maulana Mansoor Ali Khan, general secretary of the All-India Sunni Jamiyat-ul-Ulema, told the Reuters news agency.

Muslims in India will help their Christian brothers protest this attack on our common religious belief," he said.

His stance was supported by Syed Noori, president of Mumbai-based Raza Academy, a Muslim cultural organisation that organises protests on issues concerning Islam.

"If the government doesn't do anything, we will try our own ways of stopping the film from being shown," he said. "We are prepared for violent protests in India if needed."

A Roman Catholic activist, Joseph Dias, began a hunger strike on Tuesday which he said would be continued until the film is banned.

Earlier this month hundreds of Catholic demonstrators gathered outside a convent school in Mumbai in protest over the film's release.

Da Vinci Code author Dan Brown explores the premise that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and produced children, whose descendants are alive today.

The Catholic Secular Forum has described the film as "offensive" because hits "certain basic foundations of the religion".

India's Central Board of Film Certification said Tuesday it would give the movie an adult rating if the film-makers agreed to a disclaimer at the start of the movie saying it was a work of fiction.

"There is a visual of self-flagellation and limited amount of nudity in (one) particular scene," board member Vinayak Azad told the AFP news agency. "It has got adult content."

One of the three Catholic representatives of the five-member board, the Rev Myron Pereira, said that it was cleared because the contention that Christ married was "fictional".

"But it does not portray anything in an obscene fashion," he said. "People can protest about anything since we live in a democracy."

It is estimated that there are about 18m Roman Catholics in India, with 500,000 living in Mumbai. The Christian community comprises about 2% of India's population of over one billion.

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Shishya · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 3:58 am Post subject: Indian Censors Win Da Vinci Fight

Indian Censors Win Da Vinci Fight
by
Monica Chadha
BBC News, Mumbai

Hollywood film The Da Vinci Code will be released in India after its makers agreed to a disclaimer demanded by the Censor Board of India.

Sony Pictures said they would insert a "legal card which clearly indicates the 'fictitious' nature of the film at the beginning for 15 seconds".

The legal card will also be screened at the end of the film.

The film was originally scheduled for release in India on May 19, but the board demanded the legal disclaimer.

Stiff Opposition

The disclaimer is in addition to the one already being shown at the end of the film. The demand led to Sony Pictures delaying the film's release until an agreement was reached.

The company did not agree to modify the wording of the legal disclaimer at the board's discretion.

The card reads: "The characters and incidents portrayed and the names herein are fictitious, and any similarity to the name, character or history of any person is entirely coincidental and unintentional."

The movie had faced stiff opposition from the Christian community with some Catholic groups asking for it to be banned.

Following special screenings for various Catholic leaders and even the information and broadcasting minister Priya Ranjan Dasmunshi, the censor board finally gave the film an A certification and cleared it for release without cuts last week.

On Tuesday, the government of the north east state of Nagaland ordered cinemas not to screen the film. A spokesman for Sony Pictures said he had no comment on the issue.

One of Hollywood's most awaited films, The Da Vinci Code was released worldwide last week after a star-studded premiere at the Cannes film festival.

Based on author Dan Brown's novel, the film stars Oscar winner Tom Hanks. It took $231.8m (£122.6m) at box offices around the world despite a string of bad reviews.

Film distributor Columbia has said this is the second most successful opening in history after Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, which made $253m (£134m) in its first weekend after release.

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Prabhat · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:19 am Post subject:

Who thinks DaVinci is right and why?

Shishya · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject:

Namaste Prabhat,

I found this whole issue rather rediculous. I read the book, 'The Da Vinci Code' - long before there was a scandal surrounding it. When I read it, I didn't see anything that special - at least, not special enough to start a global protest about. It's simply a book that tells a different version of the story of the firgure of Jesus Christ.

What's funny is that the Christians and Muslims teamed up to protest the film - when it is the Christians and Muslims themselves who have two differing versions of the story of Christ. I mean, take the Muslim doctrine that Christ didn't die on the cross, but instead was taken down alive and (relatively) well. Any Catholic should find this version just as if not more offensive than the Dan Brown version (in which Christ still dies). But did any Catholics protest the Koran? Neutral

And the real punch-line is this: The bulk of the story of Christ has been fabricated anyways. They were protesting one piece of fiction in defence of another piece of fiction. Utterly rediculous. Rolling Eyes

If the movie 'The Da Vinci Code' has to have a disclaimer at the beginning stating that the film is based on a work of fiction, then I think every single Christian movie ever made should have to have the exact same disclaimer. Laughing

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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Prabhat · Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject:

So, where did Jesus die?
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Shishya · Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject:

Namaste Prabhat,

Well, according to some, Jesus lived for many years after his crucifixion, travelled East and eventually died and was buried in the city of Srinagar in Kashmir.
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Prabhat · Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject:

Namaste Shis.

that is very intresting.

is it true that he learned the Vedas in India.
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Shishya · Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject:

Namaste Prabhat,

We can only speculate as to whether or not Jesus studied the Vedas. There are many who think he did, and that he spent his adolescence (which is not recorded in the Bible) somewhere in the north of India - possibly among practicioners of Bhakti Yoga. There are, after all, quite a few similarities.

However, if Jesus did in fact study the Vedas, he didn't do a very good job of preaching Vedic Wisdom. The Bible says that he ate meat, drank wine, inflicted suffering on innocent creatures and led his followers to believe that he was the son of God - or even God incarnate. He might have made some personal progress along the path of Bhakti, but he certainly didn't help bring the light of the Vedas to the rest of the world.
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Prabhat · Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject:

Namaste Shis.

i think your wright.
but i think he learned a lot in India and give his own vision. who nows. Confused

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Deepan Abisuriya · Junior Member Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 66

Namaste,

Where does the Quran say that Jesus escaped death on the cross?
Could you please quote me the verse?

Then I will tell you how Bible and Quran have the same version and why early muslims and christians at the time of Mohammad didn't protest.

Deepan.

Deepan Abisuriya · Junior Member Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 66

Namaste,

Please let me know where Jesus inflicts the innocent animals. Can you please tell me. For I studied Bible, and I found just the opposite.

Deepan.

Prabhat · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject:

dont keep us longer waiting, please tell. Wink

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Shishya · Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject:

Namaste Deepan,

Deepan Abisuriya · Junior Member Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 66

Sabko mera namaste, Very Happy

The following verse of the Quran as you have quoted says,
4:157: "And for saying: We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah, and they killed him not, nor did they cause his death on the cross, but he was made to appear to them as such. And certainly those who differ theirin are in no doubt about it. They have no knowledge about it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for certain: 4:158: Nay, Allah exalted him in His presence. And Allah is ever Mighty, Wise.".

5:117: "I said to them naught save as Thou didst command me: Serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord; and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die Thou wast the Watcher over them. And Thou art the Witness of all things."

Jesus Christ says in the Quran, (as quoted above) - "but when thou didst cause me to die"- which means he died. At the time of His birth, Jesus Christ, in Surah 19:30-33, speaks saying: " He spake : Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet.......Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!".

This verse proves that He was predestined to death and resurection, and the above verse of 5:117 says he died.

But why does the verse 4:157 say that he was not killed. The diffrence is in the words killed (cause some one to die) and died (death, may not be by killing).

Therefore, it can be concluded that He died but not by the crucifiction(killing). But he was on the cross("he was made to appear"), and it appeared to them that he died due to the cricifiction. The verse says that they were very happy that they had killed Jesus (by making him suffer on the cross) and it seemed to them that he died by their hurting him, but they didn't know that he was already predestined to death (Jesus speaks from the cradle in the Quran), and that He had to give his life (die).

The Quran also says that Allah taught him the scripture and also gave him the scripture. It also exalts Jesus Christ saying, "There is not one of the people of the scripture but will believe in him (Jesus)before his death, and on the day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them" (Surah 4:159). He is thus said to be the massiha.

He was to die, the Quran proves. He died, Quran also proves that. It also says that he was crucified. But says was not killed, but died. This is consistent and not a confusion because, Jesus Christ says in the Bible, “Therefore doth the Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. No one taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father.” (John 10:17,18).

The Quran says :"..nor did they cause his death on the cross, but he was made to appear to them as such." Comparison will tell us that, they intended to kill him, and it seemed to them as if they killed him, but he was predestined to die and that he died, and they didn't become the cause of his death, that they should bost.

This refers to the accusation which the high priest makes to Jesus Christ on the cross saying, :'if you are the son of God save yourself"- they thought to bost that they had killed him, and that he was not the son of God. But God had already predestined him to death(Jesus speaking from the cradle in the Quran and even in the book of Isaiah and Daniel (predictons of massiha in the old testement Bible, even the year in which he will be crucified is mentioed, it come true in Jesus Christ).

Why is this signifincant to a Arya,, because the prediction the book of Daniel tells us that Jesus will remove the sacrificial laws. And also his religion which will be established (not chriatianity), as the Bible says that the religion of Christ was there before Judaism. It calls his religion to be "saanathana dharma" or the "everlasing rightiousness" (I will speak about this latter)

Quran says Jesus is the massiha, virgins son, and that he died and resurrected. In fact it confirmes it by saying "So Peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the Day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"! Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. (Surah 19:33,34).

Thus, there is no dispute in this. This misunderstanding is solved, when we understand why the Quran tells us to read the Torah (the old testament Bible) and ingil (new testament).

Reading only the Quran will not be complete, nor only the Bible. Both have to be studied. Here is where I disagree with the jews, christians and muslims, who are trying to prove that their scriptures are only great and all others have human interference and due to translations are riped of their purity.

But the Holy Bible tells us to study it by comparing one verse with the other, thus God has given us the solution to get rid of the misinterpretation, which the christians and muslims, even the jews have not understood, and are become the blind leading the blind. That is the reason they has a lot of inconsistancies within themselves and their doctrines, but not in the Holy Bible and Holy Quran.

Namaste.
Deepan

Shyena · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject:

Shishya · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject:

Namaste Deepan,

The main point I think Muslim scholars are trying to make is this: Whereas Christians believe that Jesus was crucified on the cross, died, and was risen again to life by God, the Koran teaches that, though he was crucified, he did not die as a result. He continued living for quite some time after the event. Muslims do not accept that Jesus was 'raised from the dead', and they do not believe that Jesus resides in heaven with God. They believe that he is dead and will first arise with the general resurrection.

Shyena · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject:

From where did sacrifices come into vedas? The only 'sacrifices' in vedas are, according to many saints like aurobindo, involve capturing and then freeing the animal, or, as dayananda said - involve no animals at all.
Inconsistency, wiped out further if you accept baha'i faith's ideas; and I see no reason not to... it is even more refined and universal than the former three scriptures; and doesn't have the concept of eternal damnation and the like either. It says that god will always send messengers as time passes; and that at his time what humanity needed is unity; which is what the faith teaches - and that there will be another prophet as time passes. Sikhism, jainism, zoroastrian religion, baha'i faith are some of the faiths I accept almost completely..

I believe what bab said is true - and this further strengthens my faith in vedas - for they were revealed in satya yuga...
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Shishya · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject:

Namaste PD and Deepan,

Have you two spent any time looking into the Brahmo Samaj? It might have the kind of universalism you both seem to be looking for. It professes, among other things, harmony between all religions and accepts the scriptures of all religions as valid. (Granted, I only have a very summarial knowledge of Brahmo philosophy.) It might be worth while for you to look into it.
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Shyena · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:24 pm Post subject:

Namaste Shishya,
Yes I did. Before I found out healthy information about Arya Samaj; I read more about brahmo samaj and supported it more [maybe because textbooks never taught much about dayananda]. The problem is that brahmo samaj is not a very successful 'institution'[i dunno english so well but am however best at english in my class unfortunately] but I'd definitely love to see their prayer halls around the country. However, you should understand that even if I be a member of the samaj I'd neither stop being a smartha nor stop believing in translations of vedas in arya samajist fashion and eternity of vedas. Reason? Because I feel vaidika dharma is a scientific and universal religion. Its not a book of prayers, nor of science or logic. It comprises all of them..
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Prabhat · Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject:

whats Brahmo Samaj.

well i am not a muslim or a cristian. but even i think Jesus didnt die on the cross. why, because no one ever came back after dying.
so they had to get him of the cross.
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Shishya · Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject:

Namaste Prabhat,

You can read about the Brahmo Samaj by clinking on the links below:

The Brahmo Samaj Official Website

Wikipedia's Article on the Brahmo Samaj
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ॐ सह नावतु । सह तौ भुनक्तु । सह वीर्यं करवावहै । तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ॥
"Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."
-Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

Prabhat · Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject:

Shyena · Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject:

They accept no scripture as perfectly authentic; and believe that we should take the good parts of all scriptures. The philosophy of brahmo samaj is majorly based on upanisads; especially ishopanishad.
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Prabhat · Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject:

Shyena · Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject:

What do you mean by 'not original'?
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