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Aryaveer Arunkumar
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 Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: Ishwar |
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Ek vyakti Binaa Ishwar ko jaane bina maane bina uski stuti upaasanaa kiye bhi yadi dhanvaan, budhimaan vidyavaan, charitravaan, gunvaan tatha adhikaarsampanna ban saktaa hai to phir Ishwar ko maanne ki aavashyaktaa kya hai? Yadi jivan ki sabhi unnati ke lakshya bina ishwar ke maane bhi sidha ho sakte hein to Karl Marks ka yah kathan kyon galat maana jai ki Ishwar gareebon ki apheem hai. Log vyartha mein hi Ishwar ke naam par apna amulya samay shakti sansadhan ewam yogyataa barbaad kar rahe hein tatha samaaj mein adyatma ke naam par nitya naye aadambaroon ko janm bhi de rahe hein. Yahi samay, shakti, sansadhan ewam yogyataa ka yadi vyakti sadupyog kar le to apna apne parivaar kaa samaaj ka tatha rastra ka kitnaa bhala kar sakta hai?
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bhavesh
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:16 am Post subject: |
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Respected Sri Brahmachari Arunji 'Aryaveer',
Namaste ! Do you mean to covey that God should not be at all believed? The very concept of God is useless?
I don't think - that is exactly what you want to say. Kindly clarify your point further.
It would be better to write in English, so that all can easily understand on this Web.
Best Regards.
= Bhavesh Merja |
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Aryaveer Arunkumar
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:40 am Post subject: Ishwar |
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Samadarniya Shri Bhavesh ji
Sadar Namaste !
Mujhe khed hai main apne vichaar Arya Bhasha mein abhivyakt karne mein adhik suvidha anubhav kartaa hun. Aangla bhasha ka adhikaar hota to vishy sampresan ki dristi se adhik log is ka laabh uthate parantu aisa ho sakta hai ki is sawal kaa anuvaad anyon ke liye aap ya koi adhikrit vyakti kar de jis se sabhi is charcha mein bhag le saken.
Aap ne theek hi kahaa ki Ishwar satta ke vishya mein yah mera abhimat nahin hai. apitu main ne naastik paksha ko ubhaaraa hai. yah prashna Darshan Yog Mahavidyalaya dwara Ishwar sambandhi uthaaye gaye 30 prashon mein se pratham hai. In 30 prasnon ke tarkpoorna hal kar lene se Ishwar sambandhi gyan nishchya hi badhegaa yah jaan kar main ne prasna upasthit kiya hai.
Main is vishya mein anyon ki sakriya bhagidari chahata hun. vishay anuttarit hone par mera spastikaran hogaa hi.
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kd gupta
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: |
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HE anarya,
gita says [SIDDHIRBHAWATI KARMJA]
nothing is achieved by akarm and the only puja of ishwar guides for satkarm hence be positive . RAM RAM SATYA HAI KI JAGAH RAM RAM KAHO. |
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Ajitwsapl
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Joined: 08 Apr 2007
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Location: Bangalore, India
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Ishwar |
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| Aryaveer Arunkumar wrote: | Ek vyakti Binaa Ishwar ko jaane bina maane bina uski stuti upaasanaa kiye bhi yadi dhanvaan, budhimaan vidyavaan, charitravaan, gunvaan tatha adhikaarsampanna ban saktaa hai to phir Ishwar ko maanne ki aavashyaktaa kya hai? Yadi jivan ki sabhi unnati ke lakshya bina ishwar ke maane bhi sidha ho sakte hein to Karl Marks ka yah kathan kyon galat maana jai ki Ishwar gareebon ki apheem hai. Log vyartha mein hi Ishwar ke naam par apna amulya samay shakti sansadhan ewam yogyataa barbaad kar rahe hein tatha samaaj mein adyatma ke naam par nitya naye aadambaroon ko janm bhi de rahe hein. Yahi samay, shakti, sansadhan ewam yogyataa ka yadi vyakti sadupyog kar le to apna apne parivaar kaa samaaj ka tatha rastra ka kitnaa bhala kar sakta hai?
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I agree with the view of Aryaveer Arunkumar.
However, when i ponder on the same, one fundamental question which comes to my mind is that: THE ATMA IS FREE TO DO ACTIONS. It is also said that GYANA, KARMA and UPASANA are the three dimentions of Atma. Only when there is purinty in Gyana, Karma and Upasana, then one will be able to realise himself and about the paramatma and prakruthi.
When we are not able to distinguish beteen, ourselves(atma), our mind, our body etc., then what is the meaning of the knowledge we have? The fundamental nature of atma is that - atma is alpa sakthiman, alpa budhiman, etc. Therefore one of the conclusions can be, that ONLY WHEN ALL THE TRUTH LOVING PEOPLE, START LOVING AND RESPECTING EACH OTHER, START COMMUNICATING EACH OTHER, START PUTTING THEIR KNOWLEGE IN ACTION, THEN ONLY THE COMMUNITY OF HUMAN BEINGS CAN EVOLVE AGAIN.
What i understood from the Vedic literature is that GYANA KARMA & UPASANA, all these three are equally needed in life. When we look we can see that Aryasamaj is with full GYANA, with very less karma and upasana. but there is very little in the aspects of KARMA and UPASANA. If we look at institutions like Brahmakumaries, Self Realisation Fellowship, some christian groups, Budhist Vipassana meditation groups etc. we can see that they are very much in the aspect of UPASANA and very less in aspects of GYANA and KARMA. If we look at institutions like Patanjali Yogapeet, Art of living, some institutions of christianity and Islam, various world organisations, we can see that they are more into KARMA and not much attention is paid to the Gyana and Karma aspects. Somewhere, may be in the universal law of Paramatma, all may be equally right or equally wrong. Then what is the way out?
Being a Vedic follower, and being an Arya Samaji, one can easily prove that "VEDA" is the costitution and operating manual of life. Are we following the YAMA and NIYAMAs of life? Are we listening to the cries of the unpreviledged? Are we not listening to the cries of haves and have-not's ?
Are we alive in the present day crisis in the world, or are we keeping our ears closed and mouth shut? Are we not using the gifts of speech and listening? Are we using the gift of intelligence? Lot of questions are unanswered.
The meaning of "SADUPAYOG" or best usage of our faculties and facilities are not even coming to our mind. The Institutions of VANAPRASTHA and SANYASA are almost diminished in life. Even up to the death bed, we are trying to earn money, earn social status etc. Rather than putting a review of life based on the experiences and actions, and share it with the humanity around.
When i do not have the experience or realization that I AM DIFFERENT FROM MY MIND AND BODY, what sense the knowledge of PARAMATMA, PRAKRUTHI, VIKRUTHI, etc. can make on us. What ever sense it make, may bound to be wrong. It may sound to the person as a philosophical conspiracy. IF WE DO NOT EXPERIENCE THAT MIND IS A MACHINE, it is natural that we may conclude that I am the body, and I am different from the others. Even we may start thinking that, there is some wrong intention, behind this preaching or teaching.
The truth is that body is mine, mind is mine, i am the care taker and owner of it. However we do not have any working mechanism to stengthen our understanding (even in Arya Samaj). Arya Samaj give only discourses on ultimate truths of life. What is the use, if we did not put our understanding in action? Is the Aryasamaj address these questions?
We all know how to increase weight, and how to decrease weight. However, we have either more weight or less weight. What is the use of knowledge? Is it not something is missing?
When one complain about the sad state of life, we get the interest and intentions of the human being talking. I respect the intentions of Aryaveer Arunkumar. We need to arise from these. Let us start by expressing our concerns and worries. Thank you very much.
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kd gupta
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: ishwar |
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PL.
if aybody says reading vedas and want to know ishwar,
TADEJATI TATTRAJATI TADDURE TADWINTAKE
TADANTARASYA SARVASYYETADU SARVASSYAS BAHYATAH /1963/40/5
[ YAJURVEDA ]
GITA SAYS sookshmatwatad vigyeyam doorastham chantike cha tat 15/13
ramcharitmanas says AGUN ANAM AJANM AROOPA.
ARYASAMAJ and aryadharm believes in ishwar
more about vedas...cow [gau ] is repeatedly remembered due to panchgabya
if anybody has perfect gyan [digestion ] hari auom tatsat is sufficient to him
if good gyan [digestion ] then cow milk [gita ] is proper
if light gyan [digestion ] then ramcharitmanas is recommeded .dahi OR MATTHA
if defective gyan [digestion ] then gaumutra OR GO TO GYANIS
if faltu PETBHARAYEE then gobar [cowdung] or different babas and dadis are strongly recommeded.
pl. find the UPCHAR. |
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Ajitwsapl
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: ishwar |
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| kd gupta wrote: | PL.
if aybody says reading vedas and want to know ishwar,
TADEJATI TATTRAJATI TADDURE TADWINTAKE
TADANTARASYA SARVASYYETADU SARVASSYAS BAHYATAH /1963/40/5
[ YAJURVEDA ]
GITA SAYS sookshmatwatad vigyeyam doorastham chantike cha tat 15/13
ramcharitmanas says AGUN ANAM AJANM AROOPA.
ARYASAMAJ and aryadharm believes in ishwar
more about vedas...cow [gau ] is repeatedly remembered due to panchgabya
if anybody has perfect gyan [digestion ] hari auom tatsat is sufficient to him
if good gyan [digestion ] then cow milk [gita ] is proper
if light gyan [digestion ] then ramcharitmanas is recommeded .dahi OR MATTHA
if defective gyan [digestion ] then gaumutra OR GO TO GYANIS
if faltu PETBHARAYEE then gobar [cowdung] or different babas and dadis are strongly recommeded.
pl. find the UPCHAR. |
I think all these statements makes no sense.
I do not understand what you are trying to communicate.
Is it that, one should not believe in Vedas?
Is it that one should not try to tknow the truth and reality?
Please have clarity in your ideas and thoughts
Please do not confuse yourself and confuse others
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kd gupta
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: confusion |
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sansayatma vinasyati
iswarah sarva bhutani hriddeshe arjun tisthati
bhramyansarva bhutan yantrarudhanimayya
you should have been some administrator . what kind of er. you are? |
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kd gupta
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: the challenge |
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yes mr. ajit
the er. knows the things then speaks
the administrator knows nothing but loudly speaks.
kahahin sunahin as adham nar grase jo moh pishach
pakhandi haripad bimukh janahi jhooth na sanch
you did not qoute anything from vedas or prakash
do you know that an arya is shrestha than vedpathi
tell me pl. that where it has been said in veda , or otherwise this forum should weed out the odds.i will also like to know that when the er. diploma was awarded to you? |
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kd gupta
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: gyan |
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chanakya says that swarna [ gold ] and gunwati kanya [ girl having noble character ] can be accepted from anywhere.
why not ramcharitmanas if it gives you the art of noble living.
it says to guide we poor people .
ishwar ansh jiva avinashi, cheta n amal sahaj sukhrasi. |
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